Buzzing Past 12th Fret

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  • 4 12-fret vs 14-fret: Advantages and Disadvantages
    • 4.1 12-fret:
    • 4.2 14-fret:

Buzzing Past 12th Fret Video

Guitars are unique and they are designed for a certain purpose. For example, the neck is attached to the body of the guitar in different positions and different methods. Speaking about the position, there’s a very popular argument between a 12-fret vs 14-fret acoustic guitars. What are these? Well, this article will detail everything about them, their characteristics and how they impact the sound and playability of the instrument.

Quick Background

I would place a capo on the 12th fret,raise the bridge to the point that fret buzz is eliminated and the raise the tailpiece until the strings resonate freely, completely clearing the back of the bridge body. Fine tune from there, but I've only been teching for 30 some years, so what do I know? But in general, if you have only one fret that's buzzing then that fret is either slightly lower than the frets above it or there's at least one high fret above it. Count your blessings, if that's the only problem then it's an easy fix because you don't even have to level below the 12th fret. As a general rule of thumb, if your buzz seems to be occurring only around the first fret, this typically means that your nut is too low or that the grooves in your nut have been worn down too much. If your buzzing is coming from the middle frets (3 rd fret to 9 th fret), you will probably need to take a look at your truss rod.

The 12-fret and 14-fret refer to the positions where the neck meets the body. So, a 12-fret acoustic guitar means that it has 12 clear frets right before the neck joins the body. Likewise, the 14-fret guitar has an extra 2 frets, joining the body a little later, at 14th fret.

For those of you who don’t know what a fret is, it’s the raised part of the neck that divides the fretboard into several segments. Frets appear as vertical lines (or markers) traversing on the fretboard from the nut towards the body. So, just count these lines and you’ll know whether your guitar is a 12-fret or 14-fret guitar.

The history of neck/body joint positions can be traced back to the early day of steel-string acoustic. Classical guitars, as you might have observed, have their necks join the body at the 12-fret. A 12-fret acoustic guitar can be associated with wider necks. You can see this design on vintage flattop guitars, too.

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However, during the late 1920s to early 1930s, as the banjos and mandolins became popular, so are the 14-fret acoustic guitars. Because of this, many have thought that the 12-fret is old-fashioned when it was the standard. Yet, since the 12-fret has its unique characteristics, modern guitars slowly beginning to fall in love with the classic.

12-fret vs 14-fret: Playability

Mathematically speaking, their only difference is two frets, but this much has a lot to say about playability, and sound, too. With the 12-fret guitar, since the neck joins the body a little earlier, the bridge is pushed towards the lower bout and you can see that its body is elongated.

Small players will surely love the 12-fret guitar because of the shorter spacing between frets and there isn’t much string tension. However, if you tend to play the upper frets more often, you might find it challenging. Yet, many 12-fret guitars now feature cutaways for smaller players to be able to access the upper frets without problems.

Since the 14-fret seems to be the norm for acoustic guitars, many have been accustomed to it. It’s quite compact with extra two clear frets. Even without a cutaway, it’s easier to play the upper frets on a 14-fret guitar compared to a 12-fret. In general, the 12-fret guitar accommodates fingerstyle better, while the 14-fret guitar is good for strumming and flatpicking.

12-fret vs 14-fret: Sound

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These two largely differ in the sound output primarily because of the location of the bridge. Since the neck of the 12-fret joins earlier than a 14-fret guitar, the bridge has to be moved towards the center of the lower bout. This movement is crucial because it puts the bridge in a very strategic position.

With the bridge further away from the soundhole, it offers more sustain, hence, you’ll get warmer and fuller sound characteristics. Since its bridge is located in the sweet spot, you’ll get more power and volume with a 12-fret.

On the other hand, the 14-fret guitar has a bridge closer to the soundhole. So, you’ll surely get more attacks on the highs and get brighter and more focused sounds.

12-fret vs 14-fret: Advantages and Disadvantages

This comparison will not be complete without a summary of the benefits and drawbacks of these two. Below is a list and a YouTube video to better your understanding of the 12-fret and 14-fret acoustic guitars.

12-fret:

Advantages:

  • Easier to get great response compared to the 14 fret
  • Has a more balanced sound, with better bottom-end response
  • Perfect for fingerstyle and strong rhythm

Disadvantages:

  • It might be difficult accessing the upper frets, especially without the cutaways
  • Usually has wider neck

14-fret:

Advantages:

  • Small-sized and compact
  • More focused sound, brighter
  • Great for strumming and flatpicking, especially that you can easily access the upper frets

Disadvantages:

  • Doesn’t have enough bass response
  • Not a good choice for those who are accustomed to fingerstyle

This YouTube video explains further the differences between these two popular neck/body joint positions:

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12-fret vs 14-fret: Which is Better?

Since then, until now, the choice of whether to get a 12-fret or a 14-fret guitar depends on the player’s preferences in terms of sound and playability. One must be comfortable playing the guitar before he can appreciate how the instrument fits his playing style.

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Of course, for those who have been accustomed to a 14-fret, if you’re comfortable with it, you don’t need to shift to the 12-fret. However, if you feel like you want to do more fingerstyling, then, the 12-fret is better for you. After all, each player is unique, so it’s wiser to pick up the right guitar based on your personal taste, rather than what’s the norm.

Conclusion

The difference between 12-fret vs 14-fret acoustic guitar goes beyond two frets, it affects both playability and sound. As you can see, the 12-fret guitar is perfect for smaller players, but it doesn’t necessarily mean they can’t play the 14-fret guitars. What matters is the preference of the player.

If you want to achieve brighter sounds with a more high-end response, there is no other guitar better than 14-fret models. Likewise, if you want warmer and fuller tones, similar to classical guitars, don’t hesitate to get the 12-fret guitars. This is not a question of which is better, this is more like a question of which serves the players better.

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Types of Guitar Buzzing Problems

Fret Out or String Buzz - This happens when a string comes in contact with a fret and a buzzing sound occurs. This is the most frequent cause of annoying buzzes. See chart for diagnostics.

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Hardware Buzz - Parts can also cause buzzing. Probably the most common items which buzz on acoustic guitars are loose input jacks and loose tuning machine bushings. Pre-amps and pickup components that are not seated well can also rattle.

Sympathetic Buzz - Thankfully this is not too common. Certain frequencies can set off strange rattling and vibrations. These types of buzzes differ in that they occur only when certain frequencies are played.

Loose Brace Rattle- Braces that split or come loose in an acoustic guitar can sometimes be heard rattling against the top or back when playing or tapping.

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Causes of Fret Buzz

SymptomPossible CauseRemedy

Open String Buzz

Buzzes when played open, stops when string is fretted.

Nut

Worn or poorly cut nut slot is placing the strings too close to the frets near the nut.

Replace nut or shim to add height. Set up instrument properly.

One Spot Buzz

Buzzes on one note, or one area but stops when moving away from that spot.

Frets

Frets are not level, one or more is too high/low. Loose or sprung fret is rising out of the fingerboard. Hump in fingerboard. Wear or deep grooves in frets.

Secure all loose frets, level and dress. Fret leveling and/or replacement of worn frets.

Upper Fret Buzz

Buzzes where the neck attaches to the body. Notes seem to fret out when playing near the body.

Fingerboard

On acoustics, section of fingerboard that is glued to the top may rise/fall with temperature/moisture extremes due to changes in the top.

Fingerboard is warped in a way to render the end too high (most common on archtop's).

Evaluate for dryness, humidify if necessary.

Frets near f/b extension may need leveling.

In rare cases the board must be planed to remove hump.

Buzzes When I Strum Hard

Buzzing occurs when strumming or picking aggressively but can be silenced when playing lightly.

Set Up

Insufficient relief in the neck.

Poor set up.

String gauge too light.

Adjust truss rod.

Set up instrument properly.

Use heavier strings.

Buzzes Everywhere

Buzzes nearly everywhere even though it is set up properly, will often disappear if string is fretted hard or closer to the fret and plucked softly.

Frets

Frets may be worn out or too low.

Very small fret wire used.

Replace frets.

Frets Out

Buzzes nearly everywhere all the time, strings are literally touching the frets in the center or other area of the fingerboard.

Neck

Truss rod may be way too tight back bowing the neck.

Neck could be a warped, or have excess back bow even after truss rod is loosened.

Set up instrument properly.

Adjust truss rod for more relief.

Use heavier strings if relief can not be created thru truss rod adjustment.

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